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 Chen Xiaoping: Hello everyone

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 Todayfor the first time since we started filming in this new film studio,

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skype we have invited a guest via Skype. Who's this guest?

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 It's Mr.Guo Wengui

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 production control room with Mr He Ping Ifilmed the first program in the

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 This afternoon Idid the first live guest program in the television studio

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 withMr.Meng Xuan.

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The first guest to join us via Skype will be skype

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 Mr.Guo Wengui Our program director,please invite Mr.Guo Wengui

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Hello,Mr.Guo 

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 Guo Wengui (GW): Hello,Mr. Chen. Hello,audience of Mingjing

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 Hellotomytwitterfriends.

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 CX:You said a lot of hellos there

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skype Asljust said,you're the first guest to join us via Skype

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 so this is a great honour for me.

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 new film studio,called Wayin Washi Yesterday we filmed a new video for the

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57 You advertised us,saying that we're on 57th Street

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 Isuppose that generated a lot of exposure for us.

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 GW:Last night an elder official from Beijing said to me over the phone

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 You must've given money to He Ping's Mingjing TV

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A few million US dollars? 

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isaidEven more than that. Mr. He Ping is very greedy.At least tens of billions of US dollars. 

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 CX:This elder official's mindset fails to keep pace with the times.

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 Mingjing's ability tobeself-reliant He doesn't seem to be able to detect

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 The fact that we have survived in the market consistently over so many years

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 You should pass on these words to the elder official

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 Ibelieve that after he watches this program

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he will realize that Mingjing's capacity to be self-reliant is very strong. 

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 thathasbeenreveredfordecades GW:Mingjing is a Chinese media outlet

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 and has withstood the test of the time for so long

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 the real can't be false and the false can't be real. Actually youhould maintaina firm belief that

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 Live your lives as you normally would. Don't be bothered by anything

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 Don't worry about others doubting the truth

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 CX:Before the program officially starts,Iwant to briefly digress

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 In the previous two episodes in which you joined us

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 you were wearing a suit. Today your outfitis different.

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 ls there any meaning to this

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 GW:Mr.Chenyou are very observant.Thank you

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 I'm wearing this today because you want to interview me about Pangu.

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 The hearing of this case is in the Xigang District Court of Dalian

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. is incredibly important for me,my employees This is us,the Chinese people's business, and

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 their families,and the whole Pangu.

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 Overthese years,

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 my employees and family have shed blood,lost freedom

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 and been subjected to death threats,and we are finally here today. This is paramount.

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 This Chinese-style outfit was designed by me

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 Imade it in six different colors.I have worn three of them

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This is the second time that l have worn this one. 

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VOA The first time was when lwas doing a live stream with VOA. This is the second time.

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 I think it's very meaningful. Firstlybecause this is a matter of critical importance to China.

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 Secondly, because this matter concerns us,the Chinese people

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 Thirdly,this outfit symbolizes how the incident has developed

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 Solquickly finished working out just now

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 then showered and put on this brand-new Chinese-style shirt.lt arrived only two days ago.

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 Even my underwear is new.

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 Iwas wearing this outfit whenlwas waiting to do this live interview. Thank you.

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 CX: There's some good news.I want to explain to the audience

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 our series of interviews with Mr. Guo Wengui Today's program is not the third episode of

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 but rathera program we inserted at the last minute

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 Astowhenthe third episode willbeaired

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 Iwill ask Mr. Guo Wengui to give you a clear answer in a minute.

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 Today we will talk about this hastily inserted program.

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 Why did we want to do this program

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lt is because Mr. Guo Wengui had announced  on his Twitter earlier today thatMy employees

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will be attending the hearing for the Pangu case in Xigang District. 

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Dalian at 8:30 pm, New York time. 

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 Mr.Guo Wengui posted this news on his Twitter first.

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 Now Ming Pao in Hong Kong and other overseas newspapers

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 As soon as we heard the news

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 we immediately contacted Mr.Guo Wengui in order to

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 CW:Thanks toMr.Chen.That's the case indeed.

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 CX: You have just talked about how you changed your outfits

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 You also announced the news on Twitter

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 You said you heard from your lawyer

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 that the legal procedure has been very standard

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 totally in accordance with legal standards and that the pre-hearing preparation has been

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This fills me with hope and expectation. It sounds like very positive news. 

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 Before you analyze this good news,I would like to ask first

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what kind of case is this? Can you introduce it to the audience?

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 Who'stheplaintiffWho'sthedefendant

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 Specific details like this about thecase.

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 GW:Sure.Thank you Mr.Chen

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 I thought you would ask about my feelings first.

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 What's the current situation in regards to this case?

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lwill answer your first question first. This case has been transferred 

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PolicetotheIntermediate Procuratorateof Dalian  from the Special Investigation Team of the Dalian

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 been designated to hear this case. Now the Xigang District of Dalian has

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 This case mainly involves the entire staff of my company

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16 16people. The three most important people

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 among them are thethree mostsenior executives.

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which is deputy director Mr.Jie Honglin 

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 The first charge is loan fraud.

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Load fraud,as stipulated under Article 175,the Criminal Law of the People's Republic of China 175

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The second is the illegal acquisition of foreign exchange 2022

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 They are included in the latest Constitution

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 Simultaneously prosecuted is every company under ourPanguCompanythelegal bodyof the enterprise,

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 by virtue of joint liability

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 Sonow it's these three people charged with these two crimes

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thisis the current situation. 

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 CX:Which loan fraud incident pertains to the charge of loan fraud?

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49 Iknow that Caixin published a report on April 9th

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 ls itrelatedto this incident

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 Ms. Hu Shuli learned about this incident earliest among all media

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 Regardless as to whether it's true,so far none of my employees,

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 Neither have we seen any documents pertaining to our case.

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is one hour before the hearing starts  Until yesterdayand even at present which

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21 It is a good thing that only two charges remain among the initial21

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33 In the past 3 days-3 days

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2010 It primarily involves the year of 2010..

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201032 So let's talk about 2010.We gota3.2 billion loan.

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4342 We repaid approximately 4.2 billion.We didn't borrow 4.2 billion.

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32 the part about the 3.2 billion loan was later deleted.

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 Because lam constantly advocating the rule of law.The trial for this case is not over yet

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10 Later,at 10pm last night,they sentmeafew documents

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 exchange fraud.Ibelieve it might be illegal lt's impossible that I committed foreign

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65LED It was disclosed on June 5th.The time for the defendant's hearing was on the LED screen.

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LED but your information was displayed on the LED screen,

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21 Nowl want to go to the initial 21 charges

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 I think the officials who have communicated with me,both old and new,

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I think some of the opinions of these new officials are very surprising 

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 Thefirstregards theold official.

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 Idon't deny his contributions or thefactthat

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he's very kind and that he has a good awareness of the law. 

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 The new leader and the old leader supplement each other well.

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 The new leader put forward three points that l find very acceptable.

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biggest dissatisfaction with this case.  Firstlyhesaid,wantto know your

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 This is the first one.

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 soon as possible,minimize the costs, Secondly, how to solve these things as

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response in accordance with the law rectify this and come up with afair 

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Thirdly, he clearly said,lwill listen to your opinions on this carefully 

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 WhenIget back

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Iwill carefully listen to all your detained employees opinions. 

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 Then he quickly gathered facts established by the relevant investigators

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 and tried his best to handle this case based on this situation

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 Idon't want to say to the official,

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Please release them and let them go home.I think this is against the law. 

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 More importantly,I think learning about the truth of this case

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is very important for the rest of their lives 

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 Thisis the most important thing for these family members.

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This is where this case has gone. Especially in  regards to the family members of our employees

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 whose reception and subsequent arrangements were handled humanly by the local police

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the procuratorate and thecourt. 

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 They carried out pre-hearing trials and arrangements

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 in accordance with the law

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and did well in regards to management and notice 

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 Apart from myself,the other family members

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 andwhat youjustsaid

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 what else aml positive about

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 It's the court of Dalian

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 involved this time and also the attitudes towards this case from Dalian's police,

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 procuratorate and court.

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 They seem very different from previously in their process

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 of communicating with our lawyers and the family members

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 HowdifferentNot because of the changes in their attitudes.

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 They are very serious,sincere

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 and professional;they ask very professional questions

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 and process things in accordance with legal procedures.

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 AII family members have said,

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 If our sacrifice can make this place handle cases in accordance with the law

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and enablea legal result,wewill bevery glad. 

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 This was not said by me.

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 Ican't represent all the employees' family members.

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 Thisis their feedback.

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 Ifeel very positive about this.

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Thank you Mr.Chen. 

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 CX:Your program has a huge following now.

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 Theelder official appears constantly

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 almost as often as the national traitors.

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 Iwould like toask

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 if you can tell us more information about this elder official.

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 GW:One of the elder officials is He Ping

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 Another is Chen Xiaoping. Just joking

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Irefer to people Irespect as elder officials. 

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 Forthis program,Ionce prepared myself totalk about

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Mr.He Pingand Chen Xiaoping.So theelder officials 

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 refer to the people involved in this case.

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 The people who communicate with me are the elder officials

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lt's not one person or two.lt is several people. 

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The one who asked if l contributed a few million US dollars 57

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to Mr.He Ping's luxurious office on 57th Street has been retired for 15 or 16 years 

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He contacts me occasionally 1516

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 Iwant to tell Mr.Chen here

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 when he learned about the news..

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 lt was this morning Whenlwoke up,my phone was full of messages from the media,

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170 about 170 different media outlets

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 asking me if l knew that there was a case to be heard in Dalian

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 They were all very accurate.

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 Some media,including some from Hong Kong,were invited to Dalian to interview

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 Ididn't know this.lwasn't sure.

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40 This afternoon,another forty-something media outlets

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including Chinese media and foreign media, withthecombined totalbeing atover230 230

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 were asking me about this.

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 They were very concerned.

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 This elder official had certainly read manyofthedifferentmedia sources

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His subordinates also reported on this matter He was very concerned. 

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 So he called me to talk about this.

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 He said What kind of program will you do today He was very concerned.

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 Sol told him about it briefly

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Isaid,Ihaven't got anyplans for it yet 

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 Ibelieve it will attract alot of attention. But the elder official meant alot

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thing had had a huge impact on society  He said,as faras he knew,that this

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 He also said,the way this case has been handled

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 as he had heard,was creating a very positive phenomenon.

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 At this point,he asked me

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 Wenguibe honest with me.

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 What do you think the result will be and how do you feel about it?

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 I thought aboutit

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 and then I gave him one sentence to express my feeling

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 Then the elder official burst into laughter and hung up on me

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 CX:Apart from the elder officials,you also have disclosed information

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about the pre-hearing preparation and the  arrangements made for the family members

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the elder officials and the younger official  which offered me a new impression of

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 Whois the new leader?

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 GW:I won't tell you about him yet.

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Iwill in the future when the opportunity comes. 

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20 Ihave known him for 20 years.

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 Imisunderstood him for a period of time

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Since we restarted communication recently Ihave moved past the feeling of resistance 

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 and even hostility Irealised that l was too impulsive

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I think people need communication 

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 The result of this waris still interdependence and co-existence.

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 One doesn't get rid ofanother

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Ithink communication will help us avoid wars and misunderstandings. 

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 lt also has a positive power which helps you reach your goals

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 This young leader

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who I have mentioned in my live videos

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has a strong legal awareness. 

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 He also has personality that Ireally like.

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 The elder officials talk about the law more in theory. To be honest

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 they give earnest and sincere lectures

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 This new leader is the exact opposite.

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 He's very straightforward

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 and doesn't hide his own opinions on the matter.

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 Ilike it.

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 We almost had a conflict when we first meteach other

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 Later onIrealised that what he said made sense.

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Because I'm best qualified to speak on whether he gives facts

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ornot aboutmycase. 

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 Heis able to put himself in my shoes

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He is also able to put the case into perspective.

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 He doesn't speak empty with words.

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 Also,asl said just now, he is willing to hear my feedback to him

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instead of giving orders. 

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 The other elder officials tell me mostly about politics

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 and forms.

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 They give orders and also listen but don't really accept my opinions.

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 This new leader carefully listens

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 and reflects on what ltell him

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 And he emphasizes repeatedly

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 rights the state leaders have bestowed upon us that no matter what rights we have and what

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 this case must be handled inaccordance

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withthelaw 

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 Handling in accordance with lawis the rule of lawas advocated byme

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This is the best response.lt also inspires positive energy for my employees, 

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society and the legal development of the country. 

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 So he asked me, Why can't we make this into positive energy?

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 This remark moved me a lot at the time

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During my interactions woth Beijing,

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 Irepeatedly told them that Ididn't want to disclose or get on the opposing side.

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 I don'twant to choose apath

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where I can't turn around.

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 Butl won't give up my pursuits.

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Could you please listen to my facts  instead of me only listening to you

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 lalso repeatedly request

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 for what the new official said.

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 Why can't we make this positive energy

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icould totally make this positive energy. 

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 Whatl want is just what the Constitutionof the PRC

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 bestows upon us and what the Criminal Lawof the PRO

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cannotbeconsidered excessive is there to protect. Thus my demands 

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are consistent with the law and have a legal basis  The new official said,As long as your demands

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 Iwill definitely respond to you. And we can set atime.

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· Iwill definitely respond to you before the time.

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have been working on for the past 6 months  I'm very moved by the fact that the casel

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 now finally has a timeframe.

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Mr Chen is totally different. 

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 Secondly, he saidDon't think we will be scared of you

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 just because you disclose information.

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 Then you use it against us.Nodefinitely not.

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 Even if yourincident has raised our strong awareness of your case

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 we will still handle and try it in accordance with the law.'ldefinitely accept this.

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Thirdly,it' whatlsaid about making this thing 

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 a good thing with positive energy

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Istrongly agree with this.laccept it completely 

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 This is why the new leader fills me with expectation

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 andIfeel gratitude towards the elder officials

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 These are necessary elements and a necessary process for the case.

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 Thank you Mr.Chen

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 CX:Having heard what you have just said,l'm very glad

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 Even though you didnt mention his name,

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you mentioned that this new leader has an ideal of the rule of law. 

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 I'm very glad,as someone who studied law.

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 Indeed.l'm gladto hear this

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 for the first time during an interview Just likel was very glad too,when,

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Iheard that humans must have dignity 

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 Isaid that the Chinese people should have dignity indeed.

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 But some people criticized me for being moved by you

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I told them that Imust be moved. 

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 I'm also moved by the prospect of the elder officia

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and the new leader being genuine as you just described 

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 even though you didn't give his name.

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 Because under my impression,the regime in Beijing-national traitors

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 in your words-are very arrogant

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 and have no idea of what the rule of lawis.

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 away from the civilization of the rule of law. My famous quote is that they're 10,000 years

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 If your story actually becomes a symbol of the

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rule of law,of courselwould be glad. 

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 Iwould like to learn from this

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 new leader sometime.

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 These are my thoughts at the moment.

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 I would like to ask a follow-up question about leaders

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 Apart from elder and young leaders,

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 you also talk aboutan elderelder official

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 Who's he

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 GW:lt's funny that you ask that.

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Iattended a meeting with the relevant US government departments 

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today about mysecurity issues. 

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 measures for me. During the meeting They provide a series of protection

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 they asked me,Mr. Guo,can we ask you aquestion?

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 Whois your elder,elder official?' The same question as you asked.

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lt was very interesting when they asked this. 

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10 Because 10 days ago

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 this younger officiall mentioned called the senior executive

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under the previous US administration  who was in charge of the judiciary

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who has impacted hugely on the judicia cooperation in Sino-American relations. 

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 Ican't give his name.I respect him a lot.

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 He collaborated well with Secretary Meng Jianzhu

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 and China's public security organs,procuratorates and courts.

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 But now he has withdrawn. He talked to me with a meaningful look

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 saying he knew the old leader that I was talking about

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 and he knew the new leader as well.

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78 He saidThat's because about a week ago,he gave me a phone call

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and asked for my help 

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 He said he has gone back to his hometown and he was not in New York

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so he gave him a reply. 

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He saidGuo's philosophy is not just protecting 

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 the United States government and American institutions

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but you as well, as we've been friends for a very long time.

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And I especially appreciate and admire your friends,

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 you to be extradited back to China. despite the fact that some of them want

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 Hetold methattherearepeople

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 who genuinely support you, such as Guo Wengui

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 Hewas quite shocked to realize that

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 news reports aren't refiecting the truth.

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 He asked theold leader.Theold leader saidWhy would you say that

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I've known Guo Wengui foe 20 years. I know this guy.

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You can get the truth out of his history 

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 work,family background and friends

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Don't trustthemedia.' 

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 Speaking of this friend of mine,lam moved.he said

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 Then he gave me the name of the old leader

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 person that we were talking about and I confirmed that it was the same

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 while as our English aren't that great After that we talked privately fora

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 Wewere both fervent towards the conversation

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 This old leader is well-respected in the United States Ibelieve that  have almost got the full picture of the case.

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 and he's righteous.

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 new leader have great relationships Moreover,both the old leader and the

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 with the United States government and society.

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 It helps a lot in understanding Guo Wengui's case.

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 Iwill reveal the old leader's name at the right time

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 This old leader has no direct relationship with the newleader

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 However,they are probably on the same side.

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 Itis greatly helpful to Wengui's case. Thank you Mr.Chen.

490
00:31:21,380 --> 00:31:25,260
 the three areas concerning the leaders Chen Xiaoping: Right,I've finished discussing

491
00:31:25,510 --> 00:31:28,470
Let's get back directly to the case. 

492
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,680
 We learned that before the accusations

493
00:31:33,810 --> 00:31:37,980
 which was also the time when you leaked information in Beijing

494
00:31:38,060 --> 00:31:43,940
 the defendants

495
00:31:43,940 --> 00:31:47,700
 Lu Tao and your financial director have all appeared on videos

496
00:31:47,700 --> 00:31:54,160
talking about the3.2 billion loan fraudulently obtained 32

497
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,250
 This video gives us a feeling

498
00:31:58,250 --> 00:32:02,590
 that the financial director's eyes are red

499
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,180
 and he wears what seems to be the uniforms of detention center.

500
00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:10,850
 See,when he was being interviewed,

501
00:32:11,010 --> 00:32:14,310
he said that you guys are fraudulently obtaining a loan,and that Lu tao 

502
00:32:14,890 --> 00:32:20,020
it seems that he was trying to shape things that way 

503
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,900
 In a sense,this video echoed with the news report from Caixin

504
00:32:27,570 --> 00:32:29,110
 released by the government.

505
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,200
 lt seems that the government

506
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,080
 has already made its conclusion on the case before it is heard.

507
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,290
 In this manner,

508
00:32:37,290 --> 00:32:40,250
 what predictions do you have on the case?

509
00:32:42,460 --> 00:32:46,590
 Guo WenguiAs I've just said,lam positive towards the case.

510
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,970
Ihave confidence in that. 

511
00:32:49,090 --> 00:32:52,050
 This case eventually will have an end,

512
00:32:52,220 --> 00:32:57,350
which is very important. 

513
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,600
 The video you were talking about

514
00:32:59,690 --> 00:33:02,980
 itis most definitely the work of Fu Zhenghua

515
00:33:03,940 --> 00:33:05,150
lt was arranged by the Commission for Discipline Inspection 

516
00:33:05,570 --> 00:33:08,530
 lam sure that was not arranged by whoever is in charge of the case.

517
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,660
 Thisis whylsaid that we have to separate the three relationships

518
00:33:12,780 --> 00:33:18,410
 Heis inaway anation traitor strictly speaking, he is nothing as such.

519
00:33:18,790 --> 00:33:21,670
 We have to make a clear separation among the people in the government;

520
00:33:22,290 --> 00:33:26,420
 secondly we have to separate Fu Zhenghua's from my case.

521
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:28,920
Fuand thepeople from the CDI 

522
00:33:29,010 --> 00:33:30,430
have to be separated from mycase. 

523
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,090
 them interfere with us,hence they have to beseparated Because now they (the old and new leaders) won't let

524
00:33:33,220 --> 00:33:38,390
my case have to be treated separately  Thirdly,the goal thatlaim to achieve and

525
00:33:38,980 --> 00:33:42,350
 These three things cannot be discussed as a whole,

526
00:33:42,810 --> 00:33:45,570
 they are all related somehow but none of it can determine the other one

527
00:33:45,860 --> 00:33:48,650
the three aspects cannot be treated as one. 

528
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,030
 On top of the relationships among the three aspects

529
00:33:51,650 --> 00:33:55,160
 we have to pay attention to their history, and we have to understand theprocessof the development of the case.

530
00:33:55,580 --> 00:33:59,330
· Hence,we see the video of Yang Ying

531
00:33:59,790 --> 00:34:02,000
and Lu Tao. 

532
00:34:02,540 --> 00:34:07,750
 FuZhengHua breached thelaw

533
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,050
 and he could be incriminated.

534
00:34:09,210 --> 00:34:12,470
 He has to make himself clear to the society.

535
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:16,510
just like what both of the old and new leaders said to me. 

536
00:34:16,850 --> 00:34:20,179
 What Fu did,Imade myself clear to him

537
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,350
the other day that they have to give me an explanation 

538
00:34:22,690 --> 00:34:24,980
 The first concern is if this practice is legal,

539
00:34:25,610 --> 00:34:27,270
 if it complies with the Law of the People's Republic of China

540
00:34:27,399 --> 00:34:29,610
 You had revealed the details of the case

541
00:34:29,780 --> 00:34:31,820
 and declared me guilty when it hasn't yet been heard.

542
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:37,580
 In addition, you let the litigant testify Guo Wengui in court.

543
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:41,790
 of handling a case nor with the Law at all This neither complies with common regulations

544
00:34:42,460 --> 00:34:44,169
 let alone humanitarianism,right

545
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:46,879
 Anyone whois smart is not going to believe

546
00:34:47,419 --> 00:34:51,379
 any of the things said in this live-streamed interview

547
00:34:51,590 --> 00:34:52,300
 Whyis that

548
00:34:52,669 --> 00:34:55,929
 there are around a hundred thousand, Guo Wengui casually streams a video and

549
00:34:56,050 --> 00:34:58,010
 four hundred thousand,and nine hundred thousand views.

550
00:34:58,140 --> 00:35:02,350
 And for the video concerning Yang Ying Lu Taoand Ma Jian,thereis merely ten

551
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,270
 totwenty thousand views

552
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,150
 Some foreigners even say that they don't care about it and they don't believe it at all.

553
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,690
 A few senior government officials have told me that

554
00:35:11,940 --> 00:35:14,900
 this is the China that they see,

555
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:18,570
 this video shocks them the most,

556
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:19,740
 the MOST.

557
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:23,700
 lam baffled.lasked them why they are shocked at all

558
00:35:23,870 --> 00:35:28,460
 in the United States and in the Occident. He says it is not legally acceptable anywhere

559
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,050
 People's Republic of China was established Then he asked when the Law of the

560
00:35:32,380 --> 00:35:34,630
 Isaid it was influenced

561
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:39,180
1922 by Soviet's socialist law and introduced to China.

562
00:35:39,350 --> 00:35:40,930
 Mr Xiaopingyoustudy law.

563
00:35:41,260 --> 00:35:45,140
1978 ThenI mentioned it is not until 1978 thatwe have Criminal Law in China.

564
00:35:45,310 --> 00:35:48,020
lt took around eight years to execute it. 

565
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:51,270
8090 The Civil Law appeared in the 1980s and 1990s.

566
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,240
 isaid the Chinese legislation system is not sound

567
00:35:54,530 --> 00:35:58,870
 and it is still developing.Personallyljust can't bearit

568
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,700
 Ireckon it is illegal,but lam not shocked

569
00:36:02,910 --> 00:36:04,660
solasked them why they are gobsmacked. 

570
00:36:04,750 --> 00:36:08,290
 To Westerners,to make a show of and accuse someone through

571
00:36:08,460 --> 00:36:13,170
 live-streamed videos is considered an enormous crime

572
00:36:13,380 --> 00:36:16,130
 thatis the Occident.

573
00:36:16,590 --> 00:36:18,680
 It has already transcended moral issues,

574
00:36:18,930 --> 00:36:21,050
 that's whylam full of hopewith thenewleader

575
00:36:21,220 --> 00:36:24,100
 and theold leader

576
00:36:24,970 --> 00:36:27,140
 To him,it is completely wrong

577
00:36:27,310 --> 00:36:28,600
completelywrong 

578
00:36:28,690 --> 00:36:31,110
 And they think it is vital to draw a conclusion on the case

579
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,150
 in this manner,Irespect thema lot.

580
00:36:35,530 --> 00:36:37,450
 That also explains why the case has been well-handled

581
00:36:37,610 --> 00:36:39,740
 under legal procedures after they take over the case.

582
00:36:39,910 --> 00:36:43,490
 Andas everyone is aware of,

583
00:36:43,830 --> 00:36:47,120
 there are some cases I shouldn't have ideas about,simply

584
00:36:47,410 --> 00:36:50,670
 because of the fact that lam a litigant insome of the cases

585
00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:56,010
 Up to now,all of the emphasizes and statements

586
00:36:56,210 --> 00:36:59,010
 made by lawyers and family dependents

587
00:36:59,220 --> 00:37:03,010
are following legal procedures 

588
00:37:03,300 --> 00:37:09,850
They are doing as promised,which is very important. 

589
00:37:09,980 --> 00:37:18,400
 Lawis never based on private concerns from the beginning to the end

590
00:37:18,490 --> 00:37:21,570
with private interests and private relationships itis of critical importance. We can't represent law 

591
00:37:21,700 --> 00:37:25,740
 Those three videos are privately-oriented

592
00:37:25,830 --> 00:37:28,660
 They want to influence on Chinese political environment.

593
00:37:28,910 --> 00:37:30,960
 No matterwhat

594
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,540
we have to comply with legal procedures 

595
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:38,210
As faraslam concerned,being aggressive shouldn't be for private interests but public interest, 

596
00:37:38,420 --> 00:37:40,170
 thatexplains whylam hopeful.

597
00:37:40,340 --> 00:37:44,600
 Itreat this case seriously

598
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,060
· lbelieve that it is going to set a good example,Mr. Chen

599
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:53,270
 Chen Xiaoping: Putting into perspective the background of these two accusations that

600
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,230
 you had already mentioned,

601
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:01,450
Itend to agree with your positivity 

602
00:38:01,530 --> 00:38:04,280
21 21 accusations are curtailed to 2 accusations- fraudulently

603
00:38:04,410 --> 00:38:07,370
obtaining a loan and foreign currency. 

604
00:38:07,540 --> 00:38:10,620
 Ihave no idea on the fraudulence in obtaining foreign currency

605
00:38:10,750 --> 00:38:18,210
butlam aware that relatives are crucial. According 32 to Caixin's news,3.2billion dollars are involved

606
00:38:18,300 --> 00:38:21,300
40 And you have paid back more than 4 billion dollars,in advance,

607
00:38:21,470 --> 00:38:24,340
 and it hasn't brought any legal consequences.

608
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:28,010
 Strictly following the Law

609
00:38:28,220 --> 00:38:33,810
 the accusation of fraudulently obtaining a loan shouldn't berelated tocriminal law

610
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:39,190
 but it should be considered as a criminal case in a sense.

611
00:38:39,650 --> 00:38:44,990
 Ihave a feeling that this case may declare light sentences.

612
00:38:45,450 --> 00:38:49,830
 Having this prediction in mind

613
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,370
Ican understand your positivity towards the case. 

614
00:38:54,750 --> 00:38:56,000
 Iwant to raise a question

615
00:38:56,170 --> 00:39:03,760
 So you revealed and leaked information to third parties

616
00:39:04,010 --> 00:39:09,430
 do you find the silver lining of rule by lawas wished?

617
00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:14,140
 Ordo youthink there arepositive interactions

618
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:19,900
 between old and new leaders ora sort of compromise?

619
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:22,610
 Do you regard it a great change overall

620
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:27,410
 Guo Wengui Thanks for your question Mr Xiaoping,it's a good question.

621
00:39:27,870 --> 00:39:29,870
Ican't buy your viewpoint 

622
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,370
Idon't think there is an absolute relationship between the revelation of information 

623
00:39:34,750 --> 00:39:36,750
 and the hearing of the case.

624
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,670
 Iwill say the same thing to everyonelbelieve

625
00:39:38,830 --> 00:39:42,590
 This is the result of Guo Wengui's own revelation He has to lie in the bed that he has made.

626
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:47,260
 To be honest,l understand why they would say it

627
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:50,100
 but thatis not the truth andIcan't accept it

628
00:39:50,430 --> 00:39:53,810
 What is the biggest problem of the case

629
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:55,730
 according to the old leader

630
00:39:56,270 --> 00:39:59,400
 thatwhichIdid intend to leave itto you Since you didn't ask me anything on

631
00:39:59,650 --> 00:40:01,230
 I'm going to say it out myself.

632
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,980
 The core problem of the case is the overdue detention

633
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,400
 overdue detention

634
00:40:05,820 --> 00:40:10,200
 All the problems of the Chinese legislation involve overdue detention.

635
00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:15,830
 And the other problem is that the detention is not being solemn

636
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:21,000
core problems of the Chinese legislation when compared to legislation systems of other countries. and the torturing for testimony. These are the

637
00:40:21,340 --> 00:40:23,380
 Itis the most critical and the most vulgar.

638
00:40:23,590 --> 00:40:27,380
 And itis also the greatest conflicts between common people

639
00:40:27,550 --> 00:40:29,090
 and those who are in power and work for the government.

640
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:33,470
 person's right and freedom is stripped away Lawis enforced at one's own will.A

641
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,810
 and human rights are not respected. Humanity is ignored.

642
00:40:37,390 --> 00:40:43,940
 These employees of mine,they have held them up for two years and eight months,two years and six months

643
00:40:44,610 --> 00:40:50,070
 respectively. There're still three months to go and two years and seven months

644
00:40:50,410 --> 00:40:55,290
 even if you can't squeeze anything out from themyou got to release them once they are held for three years.

645
00:40:55,790 --> 00:41:00,620
 left for them to be held in detention at the maximum time Or they should just sentence them there are still a few months

646
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:05,800
 Therefore,for this case,whether I decided to expose or not,to so called fight' for changes or not,

647
00:41:06,050 --> 00:41:09,180
it wouldn't make any changes to the lawsuit. Everything has been settled from the beginning 

648
00:41:09,380 --> 00:41:13,100
175 that thereis still the article 175 of thelaw Anyone who know about the law would know

649
00:41:13,470 --> 00:41:15,640
 Can you hear me Mr.Chen?

650
00:41:15,810 --> 00:41:16,350
· Chen Xiaoping: Yeslcan hear you.

651
00:41:17,310 --> 00:41:19,140
175· Guo WenguiInarticle 175of the law

652
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:24,480
175 it states clearly that,the amount concerning the fraudulence in obtaining a loan has to be huge

653
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,690
32 And3.2 billion would be huge enough.

654
00:41:28,070 --> 00:41:34,070
 the bank to make a loss,if huge loss And it also states that it has to cause

655
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:35,870
 not consequences

656
00:41:39,620 --> 00:41:45,960
 and it has to influence the society or to the bank badly

657
00:41:46,420 --> 00:41:51,180
soas to be sentenced to 3 years to 7 years,or over 7 years of imprisonment. 377

658
00:41:52,090 --> 00:41:58,520
 And nowlcan say with certainty that we didn't cause the bank a loss at all

659
00:41:58,930 --> 00:42:01,270
10 On the other hand,leven brought 1 billion dollars of interest to the bank

660
00:42:01,810 --> 00:42:05,730
 orconsequences brought to the society Secondly, there isn't any bad influences

661
00:42:05,940 --> 00:42:12,700
 And on our side,Ican't spot out any proves on frauds.

662
00:42:13,490 --> 00:42:17,370
lam completely unaware of that. 

663
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:21,750
 toearn their salaryto get their bonus, They are just a bunch of kids whowant

664
00:42:22,330 --> 00:42:25,000
 to get the loan done.And even the chairman of the company

665
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:29,880
 would like to show me their outstanding performance in business.

666
00:42:30,090 --> 00:42:34,050
 Every loan made in China is somehow involved with the so called fake seal',

667
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:38,180
 fake documents'. You can execute me,

668
00:42:38,350 --> 00:42:41,350
 if thereis anyone who dare reject that. Guo WenguiandI will admit the accusations

669
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,900
 But that's impossible,the banking system in China forces you to commit crime.

670
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,400
 and you made her swear to god that she is a virgin Take an example,you get a girl out from a brothel

671
00:42:49,530 --> 00:42:52,490
 And if you believe that she is a virgin

672
00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:55,070
well then obviously that's yourproblem 

673
00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:58,200
 You are the one who forced this prostitute to claim that sheis a virgin

674
00:42:58,530 --> 00:43:01,250
 prostitute because she has no choice. or you force her to say she has to

675
00:43:01,500 --> 00:43:04,620
 So itis out of question that the boss has made

676
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,000
186 every single official seal

677
00:43:09,170 --> 00:43:12,260
186 among the 186 of them.

678
00:43:12,590 --> 00:43:15,050
· let alone to check them all by himself

679
00:43:15,470 --> 00:43:17,590
186 In China you'll have to get 186 seals for a single loan,

680
00:43:17,890 --> 00:43:21,100
200 for some of the smaller businesses, you'll have to get over 200 seals.

681
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:23,640
 I'm not the one who runs the business

682
00:43:23,810 --> 00:43:26,900
 I'm just a controller of the company,the actual operators are them.

683
00:43:27,100 --> 00:43:28,360
 so how would the crime be possible to exist?

684
00:43:28,770 --> 00:43:30,980
Therefore,in this obtaining loan by fraudulent document charge, 175

685
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:34,530
every serious consequence mentioned in  the article 175 isn't applicable in this case.

686
00:43:34,860 --> 00:43:38,450
 And this case has come to the place where it has to be handled,

687
00:43:38,700 --> 00:43:42,410
 it's just a matter of how you would handle it.And from the lawsuityou canseethat

688
00:43:42,540 --> 00:43:45,580
they chose to prosecute the Beijing  Pangu Investment Company Limited

689
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,670
 Our lawyers have communicated with the law enforcement on my behalf as the juridical persons;

690
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,090
 wemade thepromise to involve departments that

691
00:43:53,340 --> 00:43:56,880
 our company will plead guilty to the illegal acts from the past operations

692
00:43:57,220 --> 00:43:59,090
 You cannot deny it

693
00:43:59,350 --> 00:44:02,850
 The fake seal incident does exist,forsure.

694
00:44:07,310 --> 00:44:10,650
 And there is truth within this lawsuit and the results but most definitely not within theprocess.

695
00:44:10,730 --> 00:44:13,070
 The procedures are fake.

696
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,700
 judiciary and social environment in China At the same time it has to accord to the current

697
00:44:17,860 --> 00:44:20,820
. China MinSheng Bank and other banks, As I've said,the loan we obtain from

698
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:22,530
 we have obtained loans from other bank as well.

699
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:26,330
 Idon't think  common case'is enough to describe it You have to say that this problem is a common case.

700
00:44:26,540 --> 00:44:29,380
 tosay that an inevitable phenomenonis illegal it is an inevitable phenomenon. lf you really need

701
00:44:29,580 --> 00:44:33,840
aprostitute or force aprostitute to claim she's virgin that it has no difference with forcing a woman to become 

702
00:44:34,090 --> 00:44:38,340
175 Therefore l think we can accept the case based on the article 175 of the law

703
00:44:38,590 --> 00:44:42,430
 penalty for breaking the law,so as Guo Weugui and at the same time our company is willing to face

704
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:47,310
 This is one of the reasons why the rred notice'is given out.

705
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,560
 laccept an economic penalty to a certain amount.

706
00:44:50,650 --> 00:44:52,270
And for the charges on fraudulency in obtaining foreign currency. 

707
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:53,570
 lam going to be frank,

708
00:44:53,730 --> 00:44:56,320
 up to nowl still have not had a single clue on when did I commit such a crime?

709
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:57,900
 obtaining foreign currency by fraudulent means, If our company committed the crime of

710
00:44:57,900 --> 00:44:59,780
 then there would be no purchase of foreign currencybyfraudulentmeans in thewholeChina.

711
00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:03,780
have any problem in the concern of fraudulence.  Our company's purchases of foreign currency don't

712
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:10,330
 But it is possible to breach the law in a way during the purchase

713
00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:13,090
 No matterwhat,

714
00:45:13,290 --> 00:45:18,470
 we are willing to attend the hearing and we will see what the sentences are.

715
00:45:19,090 --> 00:45:23,010
proceed according to the law,thank you Mr.Chen  It's all becausel believe that they will actually

716
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,180
 Chen Xiaoping:As you have a rather optimistic prediction towards this trial

717
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:33,650
Ibelieve that you will agree with whatever the court's sentences are. 

718
00:45:33,940 --> 00:45:38,740
 In that sense

719
00:45:38,940 --> 00:45:43,490
 the truth is going to be shown on legal documents,after all

720
00:45:43,660 --> 00:45:46,030
 Then we would be able to know what the truth is.

721
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:53,750
 Wecan see

722
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:59,510
 if rule by law can be incarnated in this case.

723
00:45:59,670 --> 00:46:01,930
 Let every people around the world to know the truth

724
00:46:02,090 --> 00:46:07,600
 authenticity of your story through this lawsuit letthem learn a bit more about the

725
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:10,310
 It would make a better example

726
00:46:13,060 --> 00:46:16,650
 to make a special request to every Twitter friend, Guo Wengui: Yes,Ibelieve it would. Thuslwant

727
00:46:16,690 --> 00:46:19,400
 toeverycurrent affair commentator

728
00:46:19,650 --> 00:46:24,570
I've just watched Mr Guo Baosheng's commentary lt was excellent 

729
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:30,290
 lam here to ask you to please study calmly at this case,

730
00:46:30,660 --> 00:46:34,880
 and don't put your personal thoughts into the case.

731
00:46:35,330 --> 00:46:37,920
 I hope you can look at this case with a clearand cool mind

732
00:46:38,170 --> 00:46:40,590
 I specifically hope that

733
00:46:41,260 --> 00:46:47,350
revelation of information to the Communist Party no one is going to connect the case to the 

734
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,310
 claims,and you insult his act to reveal information You're trying to harm Wengui if you're making those

735
00:46:51,730 --> 00:46:54,440
 GuoQitiaotheseven principle of Guo The core of his disclosure is for

736
00:46:54,730 --> 00:46:57,360
in which one of them is rule by law. 

737
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,240
 is to oppose to fighting corruption with corruption AndI have much higher goals above that which

738
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,400
 These are great goals to achieve. and fighting corruption with triad force'i

739
00:47:04,530 --> 00:47:09,080
 And this case,as I've said,itjust has tocome toanend,

740
00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:11,250
 it has to be heard whether I leak information or not.

741
00:47:11,410 --> 00:47:16,290
 three years detention time has almost been completely served. Then I hope they will hear the case as soon as possible,as the

742
00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:18,040
 Whatever crime they have committed,as l've just said

743
00:47:18,170 --> 00:47:23,840
175 through the article 175 of the law and the Supplementary provisions of Article 1 of the Chinese Criminal Law,

744
00:47:24,220 --> 00:47:29,050
 they should be sentenced probations or released in court.

745
00:47:29,350 --> 00:47:31,600
 And todaywe have a great news to tell you all

746
00:47:31,930 --> 00:47:35,520
its about the oldest of one of the detainees,which is Mr.Lin Qiang 

747
00:47:35,810 --> 00:47:39,770
who has been detained for 2 years and6 months. 6

748
00:47:39,980 --> 00:47:45,700
 Mr. Lin's prosecution has been officially revoked,he has regained his freedom

749
00:47:45,860 --> 00:47:47,700
40 and he has lost 40 kgofweight

750
00:47:47,860 --> 00:47:51,330
 lam very worried about him he should have returned home today

751
00:47:51,580 --> 00:47:58,130
He has been detained for over two years for non-civil service bribery 

752
00:47:58,290 --> 00:48:01,590
100 He took amillion yuan brokerage from our corporate financing

753
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,720
 and his prosecution has been revoked,he has returned home.

754
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:09,930
 Forthe dozen others,three of them have their hearing today

755
00:48:10,140 --> 00:48:11,890
 and Lin Qiang's has been revoked

756
00:48:12,060 --> 00:48:15,230
 The rest of them will have their trial results within the following days

757
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:17,730
 all of them have been detained from a year to two years

758
00:48:17,890 --> 00:48:19,810
 and 6 months.

759
00:48:20,060 --> 00:48:23,230
 learn the sentences in the following days Forthe majority of them l believe they'l

760
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,570
and these people,no matter what,well have to accept one thing 

761
00:48:26,860 --> 00:48:30,530
 I've accepted the trial that proceeds according to law

762
00:48:30,740 --> 00:48:34,240
 andI believe my employees and their families will accept it as well,

763
00:48:34,620 --> 00:48:36,710
 this has been going on for 2 or 3 years already

764
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:40,920
 The wives of Xie Honglin and Lu Tao

765
00:48:41,340 --> 00:48:45,800
 and Yang Ying's son have taken the greatest hit

766
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,180
Iheard from them for the first time this morning 

767
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:52,220
 I've sent them audio messages yesterday on their requestsi

768
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,350
 our company has sent alot of people there to be there with them.

769
00:48:55,640 --> 00:49:01,100
 hop over,which a ritual to burn all the misfortunes away They said they want to help set upa fire tray for them to

770
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:02,730
 after they'rereleased

771
00:49:02,980 --> 00:49:06,860
 At the same time,  hope they wont be too in grief or agitation

772
00:49:07,150 --> 00:49:11,910
 terms of transportation, food and beverages, and clothes.. After that,our company will have unified arrangement in

773
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:16,330
time please mind your words to the public.  Please don't be too agitated,and at the same

774
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:19,790
What the families of my employees said next touched my heart, 

775
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:24,250
 they saidMr. Guo,we will accept the trial no matter what itis."

776
00:49:24,460 --> 00:49:26,460
 Forthepastfewdays

777
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,430
 or during this period of time

778
00:49:30,590 --> 00:49:32,010
 Ihave felt that rule by lawis starting to emerge

779
00:49:32,180 --> 00:49:35,010
and we are treated with respect and with humanity 

780
00:49:35,180 --> 00:49:40,690
 the case have explained it very clear The lawyers and officers that are on

781
00:49:41,100 --> 00:49:46,190
 solcan't represent how all of my employees and their families felt

782
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:47,570
Icannot fully representthem 

783
00:49:47,860 --> 00:49:50,990
 But our employee's families represent their feelings.

784
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:55,200
 thatis why lhave such positive view,

785
00:49:55,370 --> 00:49:59,200
 and at the same time why lask our Twitter friends to stop saying this is the result of my revelation of information

786
00:49:59,580 --> 00:50:03,960
 this wasn't initiated by my revelation

787
00:50:04,380 --> 00:50:07,840
 If you have to make this into an extreme political issue

788
00:50:08,210 --> 00:50:11,090
then it would be a great insult to our Twitter friends and to me. 

789
00:50:11,340 --> 00:50:16,180
 We have been working so hard all these days and ourdisclosure hasahighergoal to reach-

790
00:50:16,350 --> 00:50:21,140
 we hope that China can gain judicial independence,and is monitored by the media

791
00:50:21,390 --> 00:50:25,440
 We hope that there are less incidents like Guo Wengui's. The target has always been set on nation traitors.

792
00:50:25,730 --> 00:50:29,570
 We're not just asking for these people to go home,or to besentenced

793
00:50:29,900 --> 00:50:36,280
 shouldn't be easily satisfied with these these will inevitably happen.We

794
00:50:36,450 --> 00:50:38,160
 Then we would be lack of aspirations and make us the greatest enemy

795
00:50:38,290 --> 00:50:42,160
 of the People's Republic of China

796
00:50:42,500 --> 00:50:43,710
 which would be unnecessary.

797
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,590
 Hence,I would like to ask all the Twitter friends and current affairs commentators

798
00:50:46,750 --> 00:50:50,380
not to demonize this event,and notto make it political 

799
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,680
 Don't forget our core value GuoQiTiao as well.

800
00:50:54,890 --> 00:50:57,640
 our support to the old leader and thenew leader. And we should give encouragements and show

801
00:50:57,850 --> 00:51:03,730
· Wengui hereby ask you all to acknowledge and appreciate their work.

802
00:51:03,890 --> 00:51:08,110
 Thank you all.And thank you,Mr.Chen.

803
00:51:08,570 --> 00:51:10,440
 Chen Xiaoping:l would like to add that

804
00:51:10,650 --> 00:51:14,450
 in lawthere isa legal term called Influential case,

805
00:51:14,610 --> 00:51:20,040
 which described cases that can be seen asa milestone

806
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,790
to promote rulebylawin China 

807
00:51:24,540 --> 00:51:28,420
Then people wonit see the case as your own fight 

808
00:51:28,590 --> 00:51:32,840
 they will see your case

809
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:37,140
asa construction to the legal system 

810
00:51:37,260 --> 00:51:41,010
 Thereforel hope my words can be heard by the old leader,new leader,and the older leader

811
00:51:41,180 --> 00:51:45,480
 This case is a process of pushing the PRC towards rule by law

812
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,940
towards judicial independence,and towards legal civilization. 

813
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:53,360
 In this manner

814
00:51:53,530 --> 00:51:54,990
 I strongly believe that people won't take this case

815
00:51:55,150 --> 00:51:59,120
 as a result of your disclosure.

816
00:52:01,580 --> 00:52:03,830
 Guo Wengui:Mr.Chen,let me answer this in general,

817
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:08,420
 I'm just going to say afewwords.

818
00:52:08,670 --> 00:52:11,170
 How should we regard this case

819
00:52:11,550 --> 00:52:14,630
 The old and new leaders have been compromising

820
00:52:14,970 --> 00:52:19,640
 in terms of angle of view and attitude

821
00:52:20,050 --> 00:52:23,180
 which is very important.

822
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,640
 Ihave to thank all of our Twitter friends.

823
00:52:26,810 --> 00:52:29,600
 be possible without our Twitter friends spreading the news. Just as you've said,it's an influential case. That wouldnt

824
00:52:30,770 --> 00:52:33,320
 Though the power of a single twitter friend is small.

825
00:52:33,690 --> 00:52:37,610
have formed is crucial in processing  The influence that the twitter friends

826
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:43,870
 this a trial according to law,and in speeding it up

827
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,460
 This is with no doubt.It's neither because they're scared

828
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:52,500
 nor they worry that you will keep revealing more information.

829
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:59,930
 It is the civil justice and the public influence of you all that has made an impact on the case to make itfairer

830
00:52:59,970 --> 00:53:02,260
 it also fosters rule bylaw

831
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:04,390
 And more importantly

832
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:09,020
 traitors, you've shown them civil justice it may have made a great impact on nation

833
00:53:09,140 --> 00:53:12,940
 Thatis whylsaid that our Twitter friends have to be calmer than ever.

834
00:53:13,230 --> 00:53:15,440
 Our unity andcalm

835
00:53:15,780 --> 00:53:22,030
will keep nations traitors away 

836
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:26,410
 and we may even bring them to justice.

837
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:30,210
 Let us strive for our goals and reach them as fast as possible.

838
00:53:30,370 --> 00:53:32,330
 At the same time

839
00:53:32,500 --> 00:53:37,010
we have to show the Party and our national  leader the positivity and the righteous in this case

840
00:53:37,170 --> 00:53:39,630
 And that's whylagree

841
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:45,100
 on the three points that were raised by the old and new leaders

842
00:53:45,390 --> 00:53:50,190
 lam sure this case will set a good example for China in terms of

843
00:53:50,350 --> 00:53:53,190
rule by law. 

844
00:53:53,730 --> 00:53:57,400
 lbelieve the Twitter friends pushed us towards rule by law

845
00:53:57,610 --> 00:54:04,030
 we have won in the fight for our next generation's dignity andsafety

846
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,450
 As for our enemy

847
00:54:06,620 --> 00:54:10,000
 the nation traitors,they are immensely shocked

848
00:54:10,210 --> 00:54:12,670
 Fu Zhenghua in particular. Thank you Mr.Chen

849
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,750
 Chen Xiaoping: Rightl will finish asking questions concerning the case here.

850
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:20,130
 Now,I'm going to ask you a question on behalf of our network friends

851
00:54:20,130 --> 00:54:21,800
and my Twitter followers. 

852
00:54:22,010 --> 00:54:25,300
 For your third episode of Mingjing interview.

853
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,350
 can you introduce us about the current situation

854
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:31,520
 Asl know there are some changes of dates,

855
00:54:31,770 --> 00:54:37,940
 can you tell us some information about the third episode

856
00:54:39,110 --> 00:54:42,530
 Guo Wengui:Ok Mr.Chen,

857
00:54:42,780 --> 00:54:44,360
 soltold Mr. He to tell youthat

858
00:54:44,570 --> 00:54:48,700
Iwould like the third episode to be broadcasted on the 6th of June. 6

859
00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:52,790
 And because we were notified about the case was heard in Dalian

860
00:54:52,910 --> 00:54:55,830
 to testify so we have the broadcast postponed. our lawyer said we might have to go to court

861
00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:00,380
16 So,we have decided to delay it to around 16th June

862
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,590
 there is a series of decision I have to make We haven't decided on the exact date as

863
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:09,010
 just as I've mentioned to you todayI have to attend meetings with involved government departments.

864
00:55:09,100 --> 00:55:14,640
 lt's about the decision of whether not to accept the protection offered by the United States.

865
00:55:15,230 --> 00:55:18,940
12 And we have a meeting on 12th June with the Fund Management

866
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:21,780
 I have to decide on whether l should resign my role as the director of various funds

867
00:55:22,190 --> 00:55:24,150
 and the role as an investment committee.

868
00:55:24,570 --> 00:55:28,370
 At the same time,we are making huge investments in other countries

869
00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:34,710
 And one last thing that affects my next step

870
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:39,090
 is how Chinese government handles this case.

871
00:55:39,210 --> 00:55:41,250
 lt is critical.

872
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:43,840
 After all of my employee's court hearings

873
00:55:44,170 --> 00:55:48,050
 Ibelieve we will have a unified arrangement for all of these

874
00:55:48,180 --> 00:55:51,140
 which include the way to handle my assets,and a series of events

875
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,560
 including theRed Noticefrom theInterpol

876
00:55:54,930 --> 00:55:57,270
 There will be an intermediate summary

877
00:55:57,850 --> 00:56:01,980
 it will affect my trust fund's meeting and whether l should accept the judicial protection

878
00:56:02,150 --> 00:56:06,650
Ibelieve in this new leader. 

879
00:56:06,780 --> 00:56:12,830
 force in promoting rule by law and anti-corruption He said he hope this event will become a positive

880
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:14,290
 It will be a good example for future cases as well.

881
00:56:14,580 --> 00:56:18,250
, If we can achieve that,then all those things would be nicely handled.

882
00:56:18,250 --> 00:56:21,380
 Then,I won't need the protection.

883
00:56:21,710 --> 00:56:25,670
 AndI won't need to resign from the trust funds

884
00:56:26,130 --> 00:56:30,180
 and the investment committee.

885
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:33,310
 And we will continue making enormous investments

886
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:35,350
in China and within Asia. 

887
00:56:35,930 --> 00:56:40,980
16 to the 16th or one day or two later than that. Therefore our third episode will be postponed

888
00:56:41,110 --> 00:56:45,570
 Ibelieve what we need to further discuss

889
00:56:46,690 --> 00:56:51,740
 on is my revelation on national traitors

890
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:57,370
 and to share some critical evidences,and some new clues

891
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,630
 I'm not going to disclose too much details on the third episode,

892
00:57:02,130 --> 00:57:06,170
 but Ican assure you that it won't disappoint you.

893
00:57:06,460 --> 00:57:10,180
And this case will become a milestone. Thank you Mr.Chen 

894
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:15,600
 Chen Xiaoping: Rightour interviewwith Mr.Guo willend here

895
00:57:16,100 --> 00:57:20,480
 and the third episode will be broadcasted soon as planned

896
00:57:20,690 --> 00:57:27,360
Ihope the verdict of today's hearing of your employees 

897
00:57:28,530 --> 00:57:32,530
 willbe as positive as you've expected it to be.

898
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:34,450
· We will have to wait andsee.

899
00:57:36,290 --> 00:57:37,700
 Guo Wengui: Thank you Mr.Chen

900
00:57:37,870 --> 00:57:39,750
 LastlyI'd like to borrow your platform to speak to my Twitter friends,

901
00:57:40,540 --> 00:57:46,210
 Dear Twitter friends,please be aware that there have been alot of

902
00:57:46,750 --> 00:57:48,840
 claim-to-be Guo Wengui's Twitter accounts

903
00:57:49,220 --> 00:57:51,010
Ihope you guys can manage to follow the real one. 

904
00:57:51,220 --> 00:57:56,390
Youtube And at the same time, don't forget to subscribe to my channel when you're watching my video on Youtube.

905
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:57,560
 Don't forget to hit the subscribe button.

906
00:57:57,810 --> 00:58:00,020
 Thirdly,I'd like to tellallof my Twitter friends that

907
00:58:00,270 --> 00:58:05,940
 the third episode will last longer than usualthe content will be very rich

908
00:58:06,270 --> 00:58:09,320
 We have to get into details especially when we are discussing with Dr. Chen Xiaoping,the Doctor of Law.

909
00:58:09,780 --> 00:58:11,110
 And Mr. Chen's showis a must-watch for me

910
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:16,030
 Mr. HePing's and Mr. Baosheng's show as well are a must-watch

911
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:20,080
They are meaningful shows 

912
00:58:20,210 --> 00:58:25,040
 Those shows have widened my horizon in areas of law and media.

913
00:58:25,210 --> 00:58:27,050
 They have helped me find out the truth too

914
00:58:27,210 --> 00:58:32,880
57 AndI believe Mingjing which now has 57 luxurious offices

915
00:58:33,050 --> 00:58:35,800
 has become more mature.

916
00:58:35,930 --> 00:58:39,470
 Andl believe the Chinese media industry willjustbecome healthierand healthier.

917
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:43,770
 Ihere to appeal to all of my Twitter friends

918
00:58:43,940 --> 00:58:46,610
to deem the court hearings of my employees in Dalian seriously 

919
00:58:46,770 --> 00:58:48,900
 and to follow the case until it is brought to an end.

920
00:58:49,030 --> 00:58:53,200
 lam looking forward to settling this case a good example

921
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,820
of rule by law. 

922
00:58:57,330 --> 00:59:00,370
Andlalso hope my employees and employees'families well. 

923
00:59:00,750 --> 00:59:04,580
 Their new life will begin today

924
00:59:04,790 --> 00:59:05,830
 What they have been through was too tough.

925
00:59:06,500 --> 00:59:11,710
 Lastly,I'd like to thank Mr. He Ping and Mr Chen Xiaoping

926
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,340
 forall of your comments made to me in the show.

927
00:59:14,550 --> 00:59:15,470
 AndIwant to thank my Twitter friends for your sincere support.

928
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:19,680
 We should be grateful for GuoQiTiao as well.

929
00:59:20,270 --> 00:59:25,140
 Guo and thanks our network friends. Chen Xiaoping: Right,thank you Mr

930
00:59:25,550 --> 00:59:27,050
We'll see you in the next broadcast.